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Cheese Contains Dead Babies by Herbivoree Cheese Contains Dead Babies by Herbivoree
You can turn it upside down or right side up. It's ridiculous no matter who says it.

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Speech bubbles are from stock exchange.

This one is extremely important to me. I went vegan the day I found out what rennet was.
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Markesahsh Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Oh yuck.i 've been eating chesse all my life.only to realize I've been eating a poor animal .i love animals and this is just sad to hear.
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boomheart900 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2014  Student General Artist
no.....no no...nononooooo!!!! whyyyy???????
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LyonRyan Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Not sure, don't think I knew of this with cheeses...
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xxPUNKxxROCKERxx Featured By Owner May 25, 2012
What's rennet? >~<
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z0mbi3sN33dHvgzT00 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
So, any dairy product kills cows? Please answer! :(
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
I answered a bit more on your other comment - but in some way a cow will always die to make any dairy product.

Cows that are used to make milk will always be killed when they stop producing milk. To make milk cows need to be pregnant. A female will have 4 babies usually in her lifetime, 2 of which will probably be male. The males will be killed for veal meat when they are 1 month one to half a year old.

To make some kinds of cheeses they use animal rennet which is an extracted part of the intestinal tract of a baby animal like a cow or goat. The animal needs to die for it to be obtained, and the most disgusting part is it's legal for them to keep rennet off of the ingredients list because it's not really an ingredient. They use it to harden the cheese.
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z0mbi3sN33dHvgzT00 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Oh my gosh....
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Yep - that's why you always need to keep thinking and keep asking questions. Sometimes you find yourself paying for things you'd never want to financially support if you actually knew how they were made.
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twilirito94 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
I never even knew about rennet being used in dairy!That is just way gross! Poor little calves! My mom said that one day that me, my sis, and her would personally stop eating meat products. Cause I am an animal lover and the way animals are being slaughtered does make me sick! And the thing with rennet, people should just make artificial rennet instead of killing a calf.
Just a question. Is it hard to become vegan? Cause people like me who ate dairy and meat would probably have a hard time.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2011
Thank you for looking at my comic and actually thinking about it. ^^ :hug:

They can make artificial rennet, but if they're going to kill the calf anyways, why not use it? The problem is that we live in a meat culture where killing an animal is justifiable if it is the easiest and cheapest method. Even if it wasn't rennet, it would be something else just as bad.

Becoming vegan is very easy. Most vegans ate dairy and meat at some point in their life. ^^ I went vegetarian when I was 17 and vegan when I was 18. It's only hard if you don't do research or ask questions. Sure it can be tricky sometimes, but I love animals so much that it's like - why ever hurt them? If you love them and use that love to give you strength and keep you going being vegan is not only easy but makes you feel great as a person.
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twilirito94 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2011
You're very welcome!:hug:
People always find an excuse to hurt animals and it's sickening.
Maybe I will eventually become vegan myself =) My mom said we'll start out by stop eating meat. And when we do that, she'll buy a vegan cookbook so we can make some good food with the new diet. And we'll feel even better about ourselves knowing that we are not harming an animal =) It's good to know that being vegan really isn't that hard and that hopefully that's how my family will live. It's a good thing I ran into this comic ^^ Thanks for making this!:hug:
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2011
I think that's a great way to look at it. You don't need to go vegan right now right this second, but as long as you're keeping an open mind and trying to work towards it in some way that's awesome.

Make sure to buy plenty of vegan cookbooks, there are lots of different types of vegan foods and variety is really important so you don't get bored. Check out your local library too perhaps, I know mine has lots of vegan books which really surprised me.

If you ever have any questions about veganism or what not feel free to send me a note. Thanks for keeping an open mind about how you interact with animals. :hug:
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twilirito94 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2011
I'll make sure to get lots of those cookbooks =) I'm gonna keep a good thought on becoming vegan, so then I feel so much better knowing I am not hurting an animal.
Sure thing! I'll make sure to send a note if I have questions :hug:
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Winged-Isis Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011  Hobbyist
Very nice artwork!! ***
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Winged-Isis Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011  Hobbyist
*** Interesting!! ***
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FuzzPhotografy Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
I know, there is cheese that was made without rennet, (but it is ofcourse still made with milk....)
but it usually on the ingredients list, or maby that's just in the netherlands.

anyways, nice :D!
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Well of course I'm sure the legislation behind rennet is different in every country. ^^

The law in Canada is that it's not required to be on the ingredients list so it's usually not. I'm pretty sure it's the same in the U.S

and thank you for not forgetting that cheese is of course made from milk which does have a negative aspect. ^^
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FuzzPhotografy Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2011
I think they should at least change that law, I mean it is still used in the manufactory of the cheese, so it's an ingredient.
I don't know if you heard of it, but there is a book (pig 05049) and it really opens your eyes... it is about the use of pigs in products... it is so stupid in how many products they use it.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2011
I absolutely agree. While people would still buy it at least putting it on the ingredient list would give them the option to educate themselves about it. I think an even better step would be to call it calf stomach lining and not rennet. It's a lot like GMO foods though which don't need to be labeled in US or Canada either. In Canada it's largely because the government thinks the public would stop buying the products without getting background information, which is basically saying we're too stupid to know about what is in our food so they'll take care of it for us. xD

I will definitely check out that book! Never heard of it, but I am always looking to expand my library so thank you for that.
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FuzzPhotografy Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2011
well most people don't even know what gelatine is... so maby most people are to stupid xD?

the book is really intresting so be sure to check it out!
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UniversalFocus Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I know it, but I canīt change it. Organic soy cheese or soy milk is unaffordable for me. And I donīt like to waste time planning what I eat.

Being an orvo-lacto vegetarian is as far as I can currently get. I donīt eat 10 Vitamin pills a day, just to be able to let away milk products.

Animals also die when you take away their habitats to grow soy.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
I'm very confused. D:

The first thing you said made you sound like you would change if you could, and the second defended your drinking of milk and sounded as if you wouldn't change. The second part ended up sounding like you were just lashing out in anger with a cultural truth and not a known truth (because most of the soy in the world is grown to feed cows, not humans).

It's great that you had such an emotional reaction to my comic. I hope you continue to analyze that. Yes it's hard - but you have to fight to try and think saving animal lives is worth that fight. Not drinking milk is not all there is to veganism, in fact it's a very small part of it. If you don't want to fight then it's true that you can't change.
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UniversalFocus Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Many thanks for your kind answer. It was hard enough to manage an orvo-lacto-vegetarian lifestyle. Iīm also trying to eat more vegetables instead of milk products, but I probably wonīt go vegan. At least from my current perspective. Never say never.

There are other fields of politics like workers and social rights on which I focus primarily with party membership and supporting independent media and so on. Animal rights are important, but Iīm not their best advocate.

I respect your decision and your engagement and I agree so far that meat consumption and the usage of animals has to be reduced drastically.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011
I completely understand because for me it's the opposite. ^^ I think social rights and independent media are extremely important - but it's just not something in my soul that I feel I can dedicate my life to advocating.

Trying is the most important part - and as long as you are making some conscious effort to change the products you're buying to something that makes more ethical sense to you (such as almond over cow milk perhaps) then you're doing a great job. ^^
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Masanohashi Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
Oh my, the concsiousness that a production of cheese equals a killed animal makes me really willing to consider eating it more :worry: It's really horrible.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
I'm confused - perhaps you could explain? ^^
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Masanohashi Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
well, you told that to get that enzyme used to digest cheese to actually use it to product cheese they need to kill a little cow ;/ it's horrible
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Yes that's true - so why does that make you want to eat more cheese?
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Masanohashi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
I didn't say that, I said that it makes me consider eating it anymore
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
OH okay that's why I was confused. xD

When I read it I guess I read it wrong because I thought you said you'd eat more cheese because of that and I was like... what the heck? I... don't get it?

So :hug: I'm very glad you didn't say that. and are taking a critical approach to your eating habits.
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Masanohashi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Yeah, I see, but that was totally not what I meant. I really liked cheese so far, but after what you said, it made me really sorry, for that I didn't know...

Well, I love animals and I would certainly not like any suffering of them. No matter if someone likes to eat them or not. They are also living beings.

It's no problem at all, really :hug:
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2011
That's great that you feel that way. ^^ That's how I first went vegetarian once upon a time. I always always loved animals and I said you know what I don't want them to suffer so I'm not going to eat it on the small chance that one of them does suffer. Then I started researching it and realized that they suffer a lot and I was really happy with my choice.

Then I went vegan when I learned about rennet, and I wanted to share that in this comic. ^^ So for me it was all about the fact that I love animals and for exactly the same reason you said, they are living beings.

If you have any questions about how animals are treated in certain industries or even just different food options feel free to ask in a note or something. I think loving animals is the most important part, but education is also super important because it's just not easily accessible. D:
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Hiking-the-world Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm a strict lacto-ovo vegetarian, but things like these make me all the more eager for when I am 18 years old. Once I am 18, I am going vegan because my ma will no longer have a say.
It took a few years of being grounded and sick from refusing to eat meat years ago, so I am, unfortunatly, cowering in wait to take it a step further. Only a few more months, though.
This is beautifully done. The animals make it much easier to digest the truth that those speech bubbles hold.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
:hug: for your strength! I think the one of the most important parts about being vegan is living a vegan lifestyle where you are constantly trying to improve your relationship with animals and the earth - the mindset is just as important as the diet. It's great that you seem to have that mindset and are already making goals for your next step. Thank you also for your support of my art. ^^ If you have any questions when you go vegan (as in a meat-culture the education just isn't there!) feel free to send me a note. :3
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hawkwhisker Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Shamrock733 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I eat free range eggs, drink free range milk...and use margrine. Fake butter. Theres no butter in it, but there is milk.. :[
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
That's awesome that you're making an effort to be animal friendly ^^. Unfortunately there is still a very dark side to the free range industry. Since male animals are unprofitable (and males are born roughly 50% of the time) they are either killed immediately (in the case of free range eggs) or sent off to different farms to make veal (which I learned the hard way after asking my local free range milk farm). Buying products like eggs and milk provides the funding for the death of male animals, which is one of the reasons why I'm vegan and not vegetarian. As I said though it's great that you are obviously trying as every step makes a difference, and we should always be proud of the progress we make. Hopefully in the future you'll consider using products that only come from plants, if you decide that is the right lifestyle for you and when you're ready. :3
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Shamrock733 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Terrible..I buy from Rhody Fresh. Their milk supplier has over 100 head of cattle, including numerous bulls.

I wish I could go vegan..but I can't. Certain foods make me sick Dx
Sad as it is..if I go vegan I'd be eating veggies every single day.

Someday, I'll have a free range farm with cows and chickens and all sorts of rescued animals. And I will not send my cows to slaughter :) or chickens.

Someday when I get a lot of money that is xP
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
That's nice that they keep some of their bulls around. ^^ Free range is definitely a better option than factory farms, don't get me wrong, but I feel that when you are in a business sometimes you need to sacrifice a little of the animal's happiness to make a profit.

It can be very tricky when working with a limited diet, I consider myself very lucky to be able to eat everything. That's definitely a nice end goal (I don't think you'd be getting any milk from your cows though, just hugs!) but I always say even if it's tricky you can always just push yourself a tiny bit. I have a friend who started out with eating vegan one day a week, and now she's on to two. It's not about being perfect - it's about finding a way that works for you, and learning to adapt, if you want to of course. ^^
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Shamrock733 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Anything is better than factory farming, really :[
Almost anything

I don't really think that everyone is the same, though, when it comes to places like this.

And you are very right: I am very lucky to be able to eat anything at all, unlike a lot of people in other countries.
And wouldn't it just be nice to be that crazy vegan living in the hills with the HUUUGE rescue. xD

I've never really thought much about a farm, hough I've always love cows, pigs, horses, chickens, sheep, ect. I've always wanted to have a rescue for disabled animals :)

And I'll try it sometime :)
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Well I'm sure some are better than others - but in the end I imagine the animal's life is always on a clock. I've asked a lot of free range places and the animals only live about 1/2 their natural life span (they are killed later). Perhaps your place is different - but you should ask them to be sure. I'd be pleasantly surprised.

oh gosh it would be. I want to live on a vegan commune one day that has an animal sanctuary attached to it.

and yay ^^
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Shamrock733 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
D:

I'll try to ask them.
Sad as it is, and though I won't eat it, as long as it exists, Free range meat is so much better than factory farmed meat.

And atleast when they go, they don't go like bullfighting bulls. :|

And me too, that would be so amazing :]
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2011
It's such a tricky subject - but as long as you keep asking questions and asking 'do I know enough about this, and if so am I 100% ready to financially support this?' then I think you're doing a great job. ^^
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Shamrock733 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Wait.oh..cheese, not butter.
Cheese grosses me out anyways. But I never knew this T.T
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JillJackless Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This one is great as well.
I find that most people are rather grossed out when they find out about the amount of blood and pus that are in dairy products, but even more people don't know about this. If people were more well educated about exactly HOW horrible the things that animals go through just so they can eat unnecessary foods are we would have a lot of vegetarians turning into vegans.

I saw a quote somewhere that said "When vegetarians grow up they become vegans."
I'd like to think its true.
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
I agree - the education and the awareness just isn't there. We're practically trained to go lalalalala this tastes good so I'll forget everything else.

Hrm, neat quote, I also agree with it. ^^ Thanks for the support :hug:
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anya1916 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for submitting all your great pics to the #vegans club !

Meeting omnivores who don't get your point is very common and, well, we're used to ! But sometimes I speak with vegetarians and tell them that in fact, cheese isn't a vegetarian product and they get pissed off because those persons felt so special and "perfect" because they believed they get it all right and you're telling them that there is still horror behind their food...
And well, as a Frenchie, I can tell you that living without cheese is VERY hard !
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Herbivoree Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
Thank you very much for providing me a wonderful outlet to advertise my vegan messages in. ;D

I agree - it can be very confusing to discuss milk, cheese and etc. with vegetarians because you want to be respectful but also provide them with new information that helped you make the transition from vegetarian to vegan (or that's how I feel anyways).

I imagine so - cheese is so integrated into culture! I'm so happy I found daiya cheese recently. :3 I've also read that cheese is addictive because of the enzymes which are naturally used to addict the calf to the mother's udder.
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anya1916 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It was hard for me to quit cheese. Sweet Camembert... I miss it so much, it tastes so good :drool:
For the vegan cheeses I've tried, none convinced me. There's only one which is not bad for imitating Gruyere
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